Anyone actually see the tuite in photo #8? I have to write you now :) The last 2 days i was studying some of your writings about some terms in uchinaa-guchi, was searching about it in the internet etc. I believe the Okinawan styles are more sophisticated. If we talk bunkai (the why), there is not much difference at all. My name is Paulo, I'm from Rio, Brasil. I mean, just look at the names, Shaolin, Shorin. Hello sir, I really liked this article and I wanted to request your permission to translate it into spanish and post it to a public Facebook Karate page. Not only that, Chinese fighters used those same training tools to condition themselves. As Gene Foster mentioned, there is a general misunderstanding of Japanese Karate, and looks like on part of Jesse's as well. Certainly the martial arts have a lot to offer in these areas, but many people are surprised by other benefits when they begin their training. The why helps you to understand the reason for the how you do something. Deep Karate stances can often feel “forced”, especially for tall Westerners, and tend to be painful for knees/feet/back. Do you know the difference between Okinawan Karate & Japanese Karate? It's a nice saying but unfortunately not true :-P. Next time you come to Okinawa, you should come train with us at Nix Dojo. To sensei Funakishi, shotokan karate was a way of life. Historically speaking, Japanese Karate was molded to suit the spiritual Way (“Karate-Do”) of contemporary martial arts like Judo, Kendo, Aikido etc., with the main purpose of developing the character of its participants (through the How). You nailed it sir. I really have enjoyed this article. Until I visited Okinawa – the birthplace of Karate. I do completely agree with Gene on overly-broad generalizations. It's quite recognisable in the Shaolin kung-fu form. All of my Kodo-ryu training was focused on pushing hands & kata (we spent most of our time working on Sanchin, Rokushu and Naihanchi) and their applications (in our school, these were far less about kicking, punching and striking and more to do with grip releases, Chin Na and grappling). For me, the typical "stopping/arresting"-precission in kihon- or kata-technics was only the "outside visibility" of "kime" - but not the goal itself. Also, EVERYONE knows that Funakoshi Sensei had to "water down" Karate to teach it to the masses in Mainland. I need to learn as much as possible before I go, you are helping me :-). However we do not embellish our kata by adding any extra movements what is different is usually the execution. As far as I'm concerned all styles of Karate are "valid". So it was not that one was more important than the other, but rather, how they were the opposite sides of the same coin- or another example of yin / yang.. Oss has more of an "Umph!" I'll take you for an unforgettable tour of our waterways & harbour on my boat. Can you possibly do a primer on the weapons you mentioned in this article? I do taekwondo but love watching you on YouTube and am interested in karate. I even lived there in 2009, studying Japanese at Okinawa University. While I did not choose Shotokan for my style, I do think it is often underestimated and you speak directly to that. The elbow is hyperextended and a chest bump will drop the opponent. It was very clear. The Okinawan-style club was VERY much about the why. I have read this article four times. I have done some Shotokan myself, but only because I was forced to do so (another story, another day). Some kids have already identified their favorite sport, and may want to pursue it at a higher level in the future. Keep up with the info, it is very useful and instructive. Learn a versatile discipline of self-defense in our Hapkido classes. Great article, as you say yourself, its a generalizations. I would love to see you or some one else write this same article but with a more biased lean towards Japanese Karate. By opting into the web form above you are providing consent for Karate West to send you periodic text messages. Put on an interpretation, usage that is practical. Thank you! Great Post!!!! | . I have never had any Sensei tell me I must freeze my techniques at a fixed point. Instills a sense of respect: Okay, so we’ve probably all seen our fair share of martial arts or boxing based movies. I loved your article. Then kata. Wado Ryu uses natural stances especially during kumite, we are a style that is based on Shinto-Yoshin-Ryu Jujutsu and karate from Funakoshi Gichin Sensei, Motobu Choki Sensei and others that the first Grand Master Otsuka Hironori trained with. It would be nice to know what they look like and a bit of history. I encourage my students to de-construct the "How" as taught, into the "why" by looking at other karate styles to see how the Japanese style has evolved/morphed into what it is, thereby understanding its history and application. These things are rarely taught in regular Japanese Karate classes. It's all about being better for the $$$. You get to experience all of this with "mass training". Excellent!!! There exist many great teachers out there who are actually trying their best to be true to the art, the school and the inheritance. Sincerely How is it condescending or insulting to state an opinion that there exists a superior and inferior something? There are plenty of Shotokan instructors out there who don’t accept a dodgy application just because masters in their style demonstrated it. As I stated I would never make statements like this about another system because I don't have the knowledge of the other system necessary to make the comparison. Excellent school, totally earned my respect. Paul. Huh? The main difference is that Okinawans incorporate a lot of their original Martial Arts (Ti) as well. "Men are rational animals" (Aristotle) is a definition, whereas men have two legs, and so forth, is just the description of men. No. Due to a reason i cannot explain i am unable to see the images in #3, #4, #6, #8, #9, #10, Thank you so much for your very informative and inspiring articles. I just wanted to set the record straight not just give an opinion. Keep up your great work Jesse & don't forget to visit me in Sydney when you come to Australia. When you're trained primarily individually, you will get used to your instructor and how he does things and that's it. Lower and longer stances are taught @JKA not merely to strengthen legs and stamina but to add to the power of a technique. Like you said in Okinawan Karate you won't see a spinning hook kick. To say that all are equal is just ludicrous. If you're one of the 10%, ignore it. In general, you get good at what you practice. I did contact James And, SMALL groups in the class. Get started today with our EXCLUSIVE offer! You can describe a human being like walking on two feet in a straight posture, so men are two-legged beings, they have two hands, a torso, a head. 2. You can have library of fancy movements in your head, but without the foundation, they are useless. It's not super-important (I'm good at apologizing, so I rarely get into physical fights), but it would be nice. He wasn't a pure isshinryu man though. compare for example 'korean karate' as it manifests in I find it a little humorous that you have a picture of Motobu Choki Sensei since our Grand Master trained with him, especially concerning the kata Nihanshi and its applications. As much as I enjoy reading Jesse's articles, I too find this article very degrading to Japanese Karate. Interesting article! Branches of the same tree. Especially the term "Kime": There was no person, who was teaching me the meaning of the word. However, it only has a few dojos in Okinawa. He has also just delivered a rather devastating blow to the inside of the opponent's left arm at the inside of the elbow and locked it. If you want your opinion respected then don't promote it as fact. Well, thanks for the article, I will continue reading your site and I hope I helped you in some way. 7. My experience is in Goju, My Sensei lived in Okinawa for over 12 years, was an uchi deshi for 3 and even taught at the Honbu Dojo, So he has a pretty good idea of how Okinawan karate is taught. Good reading, extremely intersting. As the author points out, so are the Okinawan. I especially enjoyed the reading on Tuidi techniques. You may opt-out anytime by replying STOP. Glad you found what works best for you :-). (4) I see the concept as a valid way to strike. Yet at the same time, in contrast to many others, I believe similar to you that the Shotokan karate, done well to proper standards, can be highly effective. Our style of Jujutsu stressed Atemi Waza. It would be nice to be able to pick up Karate again and not injure myself. having one-on-one attention from, say, a math teacher. This really shows your misunderstanding of Japanese karate. IMHO, I thought the author's comparison was enlightening as setting up for better understanding & as a BLOG discussion. I've been a few times in Japan but never practicing karate and never in Okinawa. They need to be easily seen by huge masses of people! The caveat is that the karate stylist must strive to attain the knowledge & skill level that you espouse, otherwise the MMA conventional stylist will prevail. Seems to me that your bringing some specific examples of karate's success in MMA to my attention and to those on this blog is actually in support of what I was proposing & believing to be true. Keep up the great work! We teach several applications with the idea to always think "What could I do with this technique, how many applications are there or is there a limit. Excellent article and very interesting reading. Tuidi is the Okinawan method of grabbing, seizing, twisting and dislocating an opponent’s joints. I am an Okinawan Practitioner for over 22 years. IMHO, you are faulting my knowledge of MMA rather than responding to my statement. You are right again. I am active in training and teaching of Karate and Martial Arts for the past 46 years. plusonedefensesystems Thanks so much for that post. Na, I'm not going to unsubscribe. Not to diminish you in any way whatsoever, but reading this gave me the feeling that I had to say something. Have Okinawan & Japanese karate-ka who have lots of experience travelling and training all over the world comment on how the Okinawan and Japanese "styles" of karate have changed in different parts of the world. Don’t get me wrong though; people in Okinawa compete too these days. Likewise, if you want to be effective at self-defense or fighting, you must practice it in a realistic way. During a seminar with Shiomitsu Sensei from England they started using this term. Kobudo. Ive noticed that for some time, a lot of dojo's are trying to go "the old ways" like the kissakikai movement. I have been in huge classes especially the Shiomitsu Sensei's Winter course in Guildford UK. Through positive reinforcement, we can bring out the best in your children to help them succeed in life. I doubt there is a big difference in our approach to separating sport karate from the true meaning of Budo. A few words on Shotokan. I agree with all of the points, especially the stances. The birthplace is in India, then it made its way to China, then it made its way to Okinawa, then to Japan and then to the Koreas. When we understand our style, we can train it better & use it best. The endorphins released by your Karate training can be active in your body for as many as four hours after you leave the dojo. For example, a Japanese sensei will go very deep in details of a kata. I have since played with other Martial Arts. I came from an Okinawan based karate moving to a Japanese based karate, and I still sometimes struggle with the bigger deeper stances, but I'm getting there. god bless you One thing I can say is Jesse made a general statement, that applies to, I'd say, 90% of Japanese Karate. Standard rates may apply. I'm not sure Karate is really Okinawan, rather than Japanese... People get hung up on style, and on details. Great article!!! The how you do something, makes the why yoU do it that more evident. When I finally came to Okinawa (and have lived here 10 years now), I tried a few styles until I found one that was a good balance between my old "Shudokan" and Goju-ryu (The first style I started when I came to Okinawa). :). Didn’t know these differences. If you have questions about SKA, please contact SKA headquarters at *protected email* or 213-437-0988 or your regional director: Wonderful reading, thank you for this! They are usually made by younger practitioners who have got it all figured out. Keep up your way! Excellent article sir. And Shotokan is a watered-down version of what Funakoshi Sensei knew, so no, it's not considered and Okinawan style. Karate Teaches Honesty / Integrity 7. I practice Shotokan-ryu but I'm enamored with Okinawan Karate because of my short stature, hehehe. If not, that could be number 12 ! © Copyright 2021 Market Muscles, LLC Privacy Policy, Marketing Websites by Market Muscles, LLC. email: israelpiedade@gmail.com. Enjoyed the note or reading on using the full power of your body into an opponent when punching or striking. Thank you for this analysis. I am a fairly tall person and being pushed by my sensei into loooong zenkuchi dachis and very deeep shiko dachis just didn't sit well for me. Well, I have a lot to say to defend my culture, but I save them for good now. In the US you pretty much have to do whatever keeps you in business. The best instructors, and programs available. Mike..you got me :) (Those of you who attended my seminars will recognise these.). Simple generalizations like "good article," "beneficial & useful" will not carry a karateka through real-time kumite or real-life self defense. Some people come to martial arts training hoping to heal and move on from their experience of physical and/or sexual abuse. (My Sensei only used Hai, we were not allowed to say Osu lol.). Hi Jesse. I especially enjoyed the why over how and also the Tuidi aspects... when you look at masters of old on film, they invariably look sloppy, but this was not the show Karate they demonstrated. When you say I think my style is the best style because... that is an opinion and there is nothing wrong with having an opinion. Hey Jesse Sensei! This doesn’t always work out, as the experience can be overwhelming or triggering, or unsuitable in other ways for some individuals. Helps me to clear up a couple of Aikido partners which I tried to explain these diference. fars karate association. Most people don’t know this, but Japanese Karate practitioners actually changed many kata and added tons of new kumite techniques, for the sole purpose of scoring points in competitions. I am not complaining about the article though, it was interesting reading, but not accurate. I also respect Gene Foster's specific & detailed commentary, his Wado Ryu contribution. E.g Funakoshi was trying to spread an "alien" practice to mainland Japan at a time when Okinawan culture was frowned upon. They couldn't care less whether your stances/form looked pretty, as long as you could show that you understood the PRINCIPLE. Awesome experience, we did our own training at the Budokan. Thank you Jesse-San Hai!!! Since then, it has become the best physical activity for getting the most out of life. It is the best-kept secret of total body functional fitness for adults in the world. (2)I made some comments based on my understanding of Okinawan vs. Japanese karate. Back then face punches were allowed in kyokushin tournaments and Gary Alexander used boxing, judo, jujitsu, aikido, aikijitsu, elements of shotokan, etc. keep on writing good articles about karate. Please feel free to contact any dojo about practice there. This may be because you had numerous years training already, so the how was not as important for them to show you, as you had that pretty much down. the strike was always there as one simple bunkai.. RIGHT! Of course it was degrading. shihan abbas hekmatnia 8th dan It takes a lot of understanding to get it right, YES or NO??. A lot of practitioners don't know that Karate is the Okinawan adaptation of Chinese Kung Fu (southern white. Congrats! IMO, I think there is great benefit to incorporating the comparative information into one's karate training regimen. Successful karate demands IN-Depth Thinking--yours/mine....FACT OR OPINION...? my wish is to visit okinawa and learn karate as in the olden days before i die. Great read! By the way, do you know if they practice kote/ashi kitae in japan karate? Good job, also if hai means yes in Japanese why is it said in an Okinawan dojo? The stances of Okinawan Karate are meant to be practical when applied in self-defense, since they can be quickly and effortlessly reached from your everyday stance. Will these kinds of high stances build leg strength and stamina? (I think I didn´t reach to ten, ha!) I welcome the debate about karate styles, better or not, pros & cons. My cousin is still over there as we speak. I am from Belfast but I now live in Manchester. BUT Shotokan was not alone in this as I have seen plenty of other styles demonstrating dodgy bunkai. In fact, the average Okinawan dojo has room for like 10-15 people. Kyokushin, being a tournament style, is popular in all of Japan (including Okinawa). If you practice Karate in Okinawa, you will often hear the word “imi”. The most important "aspect" of any martial art is the "person" that is training. My shy little boy found his confidence and my busy little boy found his focus. Our Dojos do not let the size of the class become so large we can't give individual attention where it is needed. Congrats!!!! 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I told them (for what I was able to see, I never practiced JK...)that Japan Karate was more "militarized"...It seems related with your point 2 in the note "how over why", and point 9 "indidualisation over mass training", and of course, the sport vision... Talk to Wado practitioners about several of these points and they will laugh their heads off. Yes, it includes the comparatively few dojos of Japanese styles like Shotokan and Kyokushin. Noth'n wrong with a little jostl'n over which style is better. Karate seems to be quite a lot Chinese to me. Ian, you're still right.This Martial World has become so 'commercial'. A great lesson in your extensive comment is that it speaks directly to those who under-rate the Japanese karates without looking to the benefit of your high-level of knowledge & experience. 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